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Archery / Re: Speed & Kinetic Energy
« on: July 11, 2019, 03:34:22 PM »
Spine, draw weight, arrow length, broad head weight. I've never chronod my arrows because fps is what it is. I used to shoot 100 gr thunderheads out to 40 yards and always had a pass through. This year I am after black bear so made some arrows and now use 125 gr broadheads. My arrow weight is around 425 with 28.5 arrow length using 400 spine at 57lb draw weight. My bow is rated at 315fps and I have the speed cams (Bowtech). I am resigned to the fact that 40 yards is my max effective range for bear or elk. The way I see it, if I can get to within 60 yards then I can close in to 40. Most of the deer shots have been 20-30. It is only the select few archerers who are skilled enough to make an ethical, clean shot on big game beyond 45 yards with their compound bows. I ain't one of them.  :-)

Archery / Re: Building your own arrows
« on: July 09, 2019, 02:22:26 PM »
I use a single jo-jan. I also like the standard bitzenburger. Home made saws need an arrow saw BLADE. I fletched 3 doz arrows this spring and it really didn't take very long. I pretty much use Bohning vanes and wraps. You can make some spiffy lookin personalized arrows. A scale is a must. Every component needs to be weighed to get a proper FOC. Broadheads can be tuned without a spinner, but an arrow spinner makes it easier. A cracked shaft often shows up on a spinner as well. Always want to do a flex check though.

Classifieds / Re: leupold VXII 3x9x40mm
« on: July 04, 2019, 11:57:28 AM »

Classifieds / Re: leupold VXII 3x9x40mm
« on: June 29, 2019, 11:31:05 AM »

Classifieds / Re: Game Cart
« on: June 03, 2019, 11:57:39 AM »
Looks like a Cabela's mag hauler knock off which they don't make any longer. I had one for quite a few years then gave it to one of the kids. If it is in fact a true clone then it is rock solid and a very good price. The only issue I had was missing bolts. The mag hauler you could loosen the bolts and fold the handle for transport. Even though I would double nut, bolts would fallout during the trip in the back of the truck. I kept some spare bolts in the glove box just in case. I just bought a cart from discount ramps. It is light weight and will fold up to fit in the back of the utv. They definitely come in handy when you can use them. This one I keep in the barn and use it to move sacks of feed. Beats using a hand cart.

Hunt Planner / Re: Spring Bear
« on: June 02, 2019, 01:54:11 PM »
We don't have a spring season here in New Mexico...wish we did. There is no baiting here however they run dogs during the rifle season. The tags are OTC but the state is dvided into bear zones. Each zone has a quota and when the quota is reached, the season is then closed for that bear zone. Sows are a double whammy towards the quota. I have seen some big boars taken during the berry season. The quota has not been reached in the last two seasons where I plan to hunt this year. Changed strings and tuned up the bow now I need to keep hitting the bag.

General Elk Hunting / Re: My NM tags showed up!
« on: June 02, 2019, 12:06:41 PM »
I called Friday morning since they were supposed to be mailed on the 25th. Rep said they were mailed in batches and to wait a week. Yesterday the wife waived the tags in my face....Anticipation runs high when them thar tags actually show up.
Elk hunting is new to me but I think it is going to be a great year here in New Mexico.  The water has returned and most good elk areas had plenty of snow pack. The creeks and tanks are running full. You elk experts may find some good and maybe not so good about that. I found elk this spring where I turkey hunt (not my unit) which tells me the herds are more  dispersed now that water is more available, however that is just an uneducated observation on my part. Scouting will tell the tale.
I have a bear tag for this fall. I plan on archery hunting the early season around the first of Sept. during the berry season which will serve double duty for finding the right bull for the rifle season.

Classifieds / leupold VXII 3x9x40mm
« on: June 01, 2019, 10:33:54 AM »
VX2 with butler creek lens caps. This scope has never failed me. Always kept clean and dry. Looks like new. Comes with users manual. The standard duplex. Buy it before I change my mind and decide to keep it. $275 shipping included. No reasonable offer refused....
I think I overpriced it lets try 200.

General Elk Hunting / Re: Hunt of a life time or not?
« on: April 26, 2019, 04:09:27 PM »
Congrats on your draw! The Gila is a special place. The wife and I will be fly fishing that area this spring. Those are some excellent ideas....thank you. I have plenty of trail cameras that I used on my ranch in SD. I have a high quality spotting scope as well. I want to get some better binos though. I think you are correct....get up high and glass the burn edges and borders arround the montanes.
I got a good laugh yesterday. The farrier came out to the ranch and asked If I drew anything. I said "well, only for elk". He asked where and I pointed and said "right there".  :clap:

General Elk Hunting / Re: Hunt of a life time or not?
« on: April 26, 2019, 11:05:33 AM »
Thank you for the reply.  I became numb when I was notified. I was talking to a warden two seasons ago and he told me that they may open up that gmu for one rifle season and to keep an eye out. This year New Mexico listed the draw hunts by GMU instead of weapons type. At first glance I missed it, and was focusing on the other established hunts. There is no draw odds or sucess rates available because the Elk have never been hunted here before. In reading the minutes of past years game commission meetings there is a pattern of tree huggers applauding the commissioners for not having an elk season in this gmu. Score 1 for the Sporthunters!

General Elk Hunting / Hunt of a life time or not?
« on: April 25, 2019, 01:38:51 PM »
New Mexico has opened a new elk hunting. The elk in this GMU have never been hunted before. One hunt for 5 days (12 Oct.) any legal (rifle) with 10 tags either sex given out. The tag is a standard hunt. I drew one of these tags as my 2nd choice. Obviously there are bulls up there that are dying of old age. I live in this GMU and the wilderness area, national forest is a short drive from my ranch. Scouting time is not an issue as I am retired (well, still have ranch chores). I also plan to bear hunt this area in September.  It is in the central part of the state and is not known for high numbers of elk, hence no elk hunting opportunity, until now.The habitat is very similar to the Gila and is in the Cibola National Forest to the Southeast of Albuquerque. I've only driven the forest roads in this area a few times. This is my first elk hunt.
I think my chances to harvest a trophy bull are good if I can find them. I have not been able find any management data on these elk herds. I will be by myself on a DIYer. I have a side-by-side on a trailer.I am using onX hunt. I found out that they will be running the dogs for bear on the 15th and 16th. That will give me 3 days with just the other 9 elk hunters in the woods. That is besides the hoards of hikers which is the usual wilderness activity there. They don't get off the trails very far though. Finding the elk is the big challenge.

Archery / Re: Building your own arrows
« on: April 21, 2019, 10:54:48 PM »
Kind of an old thread but i won't let anyone cut my arrows. You can make your own arrow saw using a mini-saw from harbor frieght or amazon. I picked up a weston 8,500 rpm with dust collector and arrow spinner for just over a hundred. I've had arrow shafts shipped to me in bundles that were shrink wrapped and some of either end was chipped. I cut both ends which improves straightness anway. Goldtip has stated that a hunter shaft that has both ends equally cut can achieve the straightness of a hunter pro shaft. Then there is the issue of bad cuts: crooked and or chipped. I also have a scale so i can measure the weight of the components in order to achieve an FOC of about 12%  for maximum transfer of kinetic energy.

I took a closer look at the map and Water Canyon WMA is surounded by tribal land....not good! Sounds like you guys have the tenacity and capability to go the distance and git `er done. Good luck to ya.

I have only lived here in NM for two years. Have not hunted there but been there a few times. I know it burns alot up there. Can you get on Water canyon? I think only residents can hunt WMAs but not sure about non-residents being able to elk hunt hunt water canyon. I believe most of the elk are on private land up there. OnX hunt does a good job of mapping access in NM. I'm thinking that water canyon will probably have 100 hunters there on opening day. One strategy I would think about is where will those pressured elk go. Just some food for thought. I am a newbie elk hunter that just came on here to figure things out. I was drawn for a limited entry tag- any legal, one hunt 5 days in early october and the elk in that area have never been hunted before. 10 tags, one time one hunt only.  Public land, no private or outfitters. I am really stoked!

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